Same-Sex Marriage

i just don't understand. people are people and love is love. we
live in a country that gives us so many rights, except that one

"Sheesh! I don't remember who wrote it, but someone said something
about God can't make Hell burn forever because it would be evil.
God is not who makes Hell that way!! Satan is!!! He doesn't care
about anything but you ending up in his domain where he can
torture you forever and ever."

That's a little dramatic don't you think? I don't mean to down the
bible, but you've also got to remember that the bible was a tool
of propaganda, and if not that the people who wrote it or are in
it defiantely used propaganda to get there point across. Even
still, it isn't as serious as you've described.

"And ever. See, HRH? I CAN use "and", it's just force of habit
from when I didn't know how to type, I would just use "&". Gee
whiz. Also, it is STILL stupid to replace an o with a dash. You
can afford to type it and still live."
You'll live and can afford to type a-n-d just the same. My point
is really that it is a persickety complaint.

"Also, i said it mainly hurts me when those I love don't believe,
but yes, I do care that others are shunning Him. Like I don't know
people do that all the time! I don't live under a rock. My
computer wouldn't fit under there. Yes, the Bible does say
homosexuals will go to Hell unless they repent and change their
ways, same as with all other sins."

No it doesn't... It says homosexuality is an abomination, but no
where does it say they will go to hell unless they repent of their
sins. In fact to go to heaven it only says that one must believe
in their heart and confess with their tongue that Jesus Christ is
lord. A homosexual could do that...

"I don't have an exact reference right off the top of my head, but
it's in there."

It's okay, i've got ya.

"This is getting idiotic. Don't we have anything better to do than
fight about same-sex couples?!!"

Something better to do then creating informed opinion which will
hope create informed votes when it comes to election times, which
will help America over all ability to strive towards a more
egalitarian society...

Hmm... maybe there's something better to do, but not that much
better.

HRH

Sheesh! I don't remember who wrote it, but someone said something
about God can't make Hell burn forever because it would be evil.
God is not who makes Hell that way!! Satan is!!! He doesn't care
about anything but you ending up in his domain where he can
torture you forever and ever. And ever. See, HRH? I CAN use "and",
it's just force of habit from when I didn't know how to type, I
would just use "&". Gee whiz. Also, it is STILL stupid to replace
an o with a dash. You can afford to type it and still live. Also,
i said it mainly hurts me when those I love don't believe, but
yes, I do care that others are shunning Him. Like I don't know
people do that all the time! I don't live under a rock. My
computer wouldn't fit under there. Yes, the Bible does say
homosexuals will go to Hell unless they repent and change their
ways, same as with all other sins. I don't have an exact reference
right off the top of my head, but it's in there. This is getting
idiotic. Don't we have anything better to do than fight about
same-sex couples?!!

Omg seriously, im not gay or aything but if you love someone u
should be able to show it any way u want and if thats by marriage
then so be it. Everyone needs someone, people just need to ignore
it, its not anyones buisness.

"Ok, now to Hrhmychael- your absolutally right. Eccept for the
seramonial laws, like killing the lamb and such- - which were
pointing to Jesus, so when Jesus was crusafied and risen, there
was no reason to kill the lamb, or continue with other rituals
pointing to His life and death and ressurection. Anyways, most old
testimant laws were done away with by the Catholic Church, not
Jesus. he never said that we should not obey the laws. The
Catholic Church changed them so that Christianity would appeal to
more people. That is also why they changed sabbath to sunday,
because many pegans worshiped on sunday, and it would appeal to
them and be an easier transition. But, im glad that you see the
contradiction. People always ask me why i go to church on
Saturday, and i never get into it with them, because many people
were raised to believe that Sunday is the right day, and i dont
want to offend anyone. But, sence you pointed it out, im just
agreeing with you."

I don't really agree with the idea that the Catholic Church is the
one who did away with those laws. I've always understood that the
over arcing idea of the bible is basically what we came from and
no longer have to do because of Christ and resurrection and the
everlasting life that awaits us. I particularly think of this
because of the "sins" that were committed by Jesus at the last
supper concerning the what should have ceremonially taken place.
But you could be right... i'm just not too quick to digest the
idea.

"But, not to talk about Gay marriage. I think that Gay Marriage
should be allowed because they diserve the rights that any married
couple diserves. They diserve rights to adopted children, rights
to see their spouse in the hospital if the family does not
approve((i read a story like that, and he was not allowed to see
his partner because they were not married and the mom had power of
attorney, and she didnt approve of her son being gay, so she did
not let his partner come and see him in the hospital)), alamony
rights, and many other rights. I dont want to try to say them al
because I know ill end up forgetting something. But, i mean it is
America, and we should be allowed to do whatever we want as long
as it does not hurt others or infringe upon their rights. Gay
marriage is between the two people- it does not hurt anyone else.
Our rights end when someone else's rights begin. Our rights should
not end when they are not hindering someone else's rights. People
may say "it hinders my rights when gayness is shoved in my face."
If they feel that way they can look the other way,. change the
channel, close the magazine, ect. We have freedom of press and
freedom of expression. If we are not directly interfearing with
people's rights our rights should not be taken away from us. What
if it was a country ruled by gasy, and being straight was the
minority, and we wanted to get married-- but the government said
no because they did not want straightness shoved in their face,
and they feared that if straight marriages were allowed,
straightness would become more and more prominant. So what? Oh,
and as for the scantity of mariage. Is mariage sacred when people
go and get married in vegas and then get divourced the next day?
With the divource rate we have now is mariage really sacred? its
sacred to you if you want it to be. And for gay people, it could
be very sacred to them. I think that the scantity of mariage is
ruined more by mariages that were not thaught through and
frivolous divources. If the divource rate was lower- I guess the
scantity of marige could possibly be a good argument. But, really.
The scantity of mariage in a whole is long gone. I dont see why
anyone would try to ban gay mariage when it does not effect them.
Mariage is between the two people that get married- - it does not
infringe upon anyones rights. I dont know if i can say it enough.
lol... Personally, i dont think that states should ban it. I think
that the government should establish a law that makes it illegal
to ban gay mariage. I'm not gay, but they should have the rights
that we all have. Its only fair- - we have no right to
descriminate. Really, our right to "not have gayness shoved in our
face" infringes on THEIR right to get married and be happy. We
trample over their rights- - they do not trample over ours. They
want one little right- - to get married. And, i for one dont see
anything wrong with granting that right! Everyone should have the
right to get married- - gay and straight. "

I just think they should focus on what's important, which are the
things you mention actually getting the rights. They cxan do that
with a civil union. They don't legally need the title...

HRH

i guess im agreeing with Hot4Paul, and not the person i said that
i was agreeing with before. i think she just quoated her. so
yah...but if she was quoating nad agreeing, then i agree with
both. but im kind of unsure of what she ment now... its not very
clear... there are no quotes ""

i meant to say NOW to talk about gay marriage, not "not" to talk
about gay marriage. Sorry- - diereguard any other typos.

ok first off HRH u r a great debater. wenever sum1 said something
and u wanted to oppose it u had facts to back it up.

second i dont see y so many ppl r against gays now. w/e 2 ppl do
together shouldn't concern the whole world. people are so worried
about other people and not their own problems and real issues,
thats why nothing eve gets done.

third, PERSONALLY i dont see the hype with marriage nemore. y do u
need a piece of paper to certify ur "love". also the value of
marriage is decreasing. sadly now and days fidelity is more common
and so is divorce. then there's tht whole green card thing.

lol Hrhmychael ,hell does not burn forever- - there are pleanty of
bible verses that completally disprove that. God would be evil if
he made hell burn forever.

Secondly, gay/bi people who dont know its a sin and dont reject
God could be in heavean. They will know not to then, and that its
wrong- - but ignorence is not sin. Sin is knowing the truth and
doing what you want anyways. God judges the heart, not the
actions. But, im done comminting about your comment.

Ok, now to Hrhmychael- your absolutally right. Eccept for the
seramonial laws, like killing the lamb and such- - which were
pointing to Jesus, so when Jesus was crusafied and risen, there
was no reason to kill the lamb, or continue with other rituals
pointing to His life and death and ressurection. Anyways, most old
testimant laws were done away with by the Catholic Church, not
Jesus. he never said that we should not obey the laws. The
Catholic Church changed them so that Christianity would appeal to
more people. That is also why they changed sabbath to sunday,
because many pegans worshiped on sunday, and it would appeal to
them and be an easier transition. But, im glad that you see the
contradiction. People always ask me why i go to church on
Saturday, and i never get into it with them, because many people
were raised to believe that Sunday is the right day, and i dont
want to offend anyone. But, sence you pointed it out, im just
agreeing with you.

But, not to talk about Gay marriage. I think that Gay Marriage
should be allowed because they diserve the rights that any married
couple diserves. They diserve rights to adopted children, rights
to see their spouse in the hospital if the family does not
approve((i read a story like that, and he was not allowed to see
his partner because they were not married and the mom had power of
attorney, and she didnt approve of her son being gay, so she did
not let his partner come and see him in the hospital)), alamony
rights, and many other rights. I dont want to try to say them al
because I know ill end up forgetting something. But, i mean it is
America, and we should be allowed to do whatever we want as long
as it does not hurt others or infringe upon their rights. Gay
marriage is between the two people- it does not hurt anyone else.
Our rights end when someone else's rights begin. Our rights should
not end when they are not hindering someone else's rights. People
may say "it hinders my rights when gayness is shoved in my face."
If they feel that way they can look the other way,. change the
channel, close the magazine, ect. We have freedom of press and
freedom of expression. If we are not directly interfearing with
people's rights our rights should not be taken away from us. What
if it was a country ruled by gasy, and being straight was the
minority, and we wanted to get married-- but the government said
no because they did not want straightness shoved in their face,
and they feared that if straight marriages were allowed,
straightness would become more and more prominant. So what? Oh,
and as for the scantity of mariage. Is mariage sacred when people
go and get married in vegas and then get divourced the next day?
With the divource rate we have now is mariage really sacred? its
sacred to you if you want it to be. And for gay people, it could
be very sacred to them. I think that the scantity of mariage is
ruined more by mariages that were not thaught through and
frivolous divources. If the divource rate was lower- I guess the
scantity of marige could possibly be a good argument. But, really.
The scantity of mariage in a whole is long gone. I dont see why
anyone would try to ban gay mariage when it does not effect them.
Mariage is between the two people that get married- - it does not
infringe upon anyones rights. I dont know if i can say it enough.
lol... Personally, i dont think that states should ban it. I think
that the government should establish a law that makes it illegal
to ban gay mariage. I'm not gay, but they should have the rights
that we all have. Its only fair- - we have no right to
descriminate. Really, our right to "not have gayness shoved in our
face" infringes on THEIR right to get married and be happy. We
trample over their rights- - they do not trample over ours. They
want one little right- - to get married. And, i for one dont see
anything wrong with granting that right! Everyone should have the
right to get married- - gay and straight.

" OK, it's nice to know people are actually LISTENING to me here,
but I've got to set stuff straight. I am NOT judging homosexuals,
let them do whatever they want, just know you're going to Hell,
where you're always dying & never dead."

Homosexuality is not what sends a person to hell. It's a
non-belief in God and his son that makes one go to hell. In that
sense a homosexual is just as likely to go to hell as a
heterosexual... the only thing that would skew the figures is that
there are people like you walking around saying they are going to
hell. If it was pre-determined that i was gonna go to hell for
something i am (by choice or by genetics) I wouldn't be a
Christian either. It's only through teaching God's love not his
wrath that you can save people and help them develop a loving
relationship with the lord.

"I know people who couldn't care less how they spend eternity, &
it hurts me to see those I care about just pusking God aside so
they can do stuff that seems better at the time."

Then you are hurting all the time , even when you look in the
mirror. People "push" God aside all the time even Christian, why
because even as Christians we are sinners, and we are HUMANS. Not
perfect being, God never intended us to be.

"Oh yeah, by the way, don't replace the "o" in His name with a
dash. It looks dumb & insinuates that you have no respect for
vowels."

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, especially
considering you are in not way using all your grammar and
punctuation correctly. It's all about communication. This is why
you think it's okay to use "&" when it is incorrect. It manages,
even in it's incorrectness, to communicate your point. Not to
mention saying "G-d" I've heard is not technically incorrect... i
can't remember the details, but i think it has something to do
with the original Hebrew or something. Anywho... ultimately you
are grasping for arguments.

HRH

OK, it's nice to know people are actually LISTENING to me here,
but I've got to set stuff straight. I am NOT judging homosexuals,
let them do whatever they want, just know you're going to Hell,
where you're always dying & never dead. I know people who couldn't
care less how they spend eternity, & it hurts me to see those I
care about just pusking God aside so they can do stuff that seems
better at the time. Oh yeah, by the way, don't replace the "o" in
His name with a dash. It looks dumb & insinuates that you have no
respect for vowels.

"Yes, I know it's from the old testament. Yes, I know they believe
that their sins were taken away when Jesus rose from the dead, but
doesn't anyone see it as a little fishy that they believe a Jewish
zombie said "It's ok, all those laws you had to obey
before....forget about it"? I'm not making fun of anyone's
religion, but when you brake it down to the simplest points it
does seem kind of amusing."

The whole allure of religions is that it's unreal and nothing like
we've know. Amusing i think it a connotatively negative word I
think a more appropriate word is that it is interesting and can
capture your attention. The bible is a sort of sensation
propagandized piece of literature. I have no trouble admitting
it... However this had nothing to do with what people are
following.

"So, yeah if they are real Christians then they SHOULD be obeying
Old Testament laws anyway since they should be believing that a
Jew saved them so to respect what He taught even though he said
you didn't have to they still should."

No they shouldn't because they don't half to... those laws were a
burden and that's not what God wanted for us anymore... so we
should do them no more than we should eat bananas. They're are
generally irrelevant in terms of our walk with christ.

"Just saying."

Just saying something wrong...

"Also, I'm 100% with gemzstone that in the end it's up to G-d to
judge your actions....if you even believe in G-d at all that is."

Yes, however a part of the Christian duty is to go forth multiply
and share the love a christ. If a person believes that
homosexuality is wrong and that it seperate an individual from
God. Then it would be there duty to attempt to get them closer to
God and attempt to hamper their activity if they could. Also
saying that something is wrong isn't a judgement. Saying that
something is wrong and that they are going to hell because of it
is the kind of judgement that is up to God. According to the bible
the later would be wrong. Choosing vote for legislation or support
politicians that are against homosexuality that isn't wrong.

"One last thing, anyone who says that same-sex marriage would ruin
the "purity" of marriage, should look at the statistics for
marriage of every political figure in history....it reads like a
laundry list of cheaters/spousal abuse/divorce/leaving children or
pregnent wives/etc. It's kind of hypocritical for the Government
to say that same-sex marriage would ruin marriage as we know it
when just their own personal history would give just about any
Conservatives (especially Christians) a heart attack!
..::shrugs::.."

Well, technically it could ruin what marriage is... homosexual
couples having had to fought so hard for their right to marry
would probably be more likely to have a more loving relationship
and a lasting marriage. That could possibly "ruin" marriage as we
know it because it would change patterns. I think not many people
have a purity problem as much as they have a problem with the
tradition of marriage between a woman and man.

And you had a bunch to say, but you didn't address anything else I
said other than stuff you could make up generalized crap about.

HRH

This article was really interesting, for the fact that I live in
New York City and didn't know that same-sex marriage was legal
here. I heard on the news it was legal in Jersey where I used to
live, but this taught me something.

I didn't finish responding.

But, basically, if it's about legal and social rights, then grant
them. I just don't like a title being applied, I suppose.

I'm confused.

I'm on the fence honestly.

I hold no prejudices against homosexuality, I have nothing to do
with the Bible, really.

I just question the term "marriage" for both homosexual AND
heterosexual. I mean, I think if two people really love each
other, then be together. I could see about the legal and social
rights, but other than that, I don't get it.

If you opppose it is it really your right? Are you the one
marriaging them. No! So there you go.

I don't see the problem with it. yeah it's abnormal and some
people might label it "weird" I just don't see it as a valid
reason. There are plenty more weirder people out there.
I just don't see the harm it does.

"Well, all the things you listened from the bible aren't things
they are supposed to be doing. All the things you named are from
the old testment in leviticus called levitical law there are 613
laws total including the one about homosexual relations being a
abomination. All these laws were no longer to be lived by with the
coming of christ because many of them had to do with being too
"unclean" to stand before God. Well, that what JEsus came to do to
wash away all our innate sins and give us forgiveness as long as
we ask. So technically the average Christian doesn't have to live
by those laws."

Yes, I know it's from the old testament. Yes, I know they believe
that their sins were taken away when Jesus rose from the dead, but
doesn't anyone see it as a little fishy that they believe a Jewish
zombie said "It's ok, all those laws you had to obey
before....forget about it"?

I'm not making fun of anyone's religion, but when you brake it
down to the simplest points it does seem kind of amusing.

So, yeah if they are real Christians then they SHOULD be obeying
Old Testament laws anyway since they should be believing that a
Jew saved them so to respect what He taught even though he said
you didn't have to they still should.

Just saying.

Also, I'm 100% with gemzstone that in the end it's up to G-d to
judge your actions....if you even believe in G-d at all that is.

One last thing, anyone who says that same-sex marriage would ruin
the "purity" of marriage, should look at the statistics for
marriage of every political figure in history....it reads like a
laundry list of cheaters/spousal abuse/divorce/leaving children or
pregnent wives/etc. It's kind of hypocritical for the Government
to say that same-sex marriage would ruin marriage as we know it
when just their own personal history would give just about any
Conservatives (especially Christians) a heart attack!
..::shrugs::..

"But HRH, separate but equal is a little too close to past
mistakes. Civil unions are "second rate." Either the law needs to
change to reflect civil unions for _everyone_ or marriages for
_everyone_. "

No, if you look at the past it was the lack of enforcement of
seperate, but equal that was the problem. Legislation can't force
social change, all it changes is legislation and leaves people
bitter and causes more social problem then it relieves.

The race relations in America (I'm assuming that's the "past" you
are alluding to) are with such unrest because we Americans didn't
carry through on the seperate, but equal. The problem is that the
equal part was never fulfilled, not that "seperate" is inherently
unequal.

I believe that if seperate had truly been equal, then a lot of
social problems racial minorities in the United States had and
have would have been solved. A natural progression would have
taken place when people realize how tedious it is to insist that
something is different when it is intrinsically the same.
Practicality eventually wins; if not for everyone, at least for a
larger majority. I think the same thing can be said for
homosexuals. Have civil unions have the same exact rights as a
marriage, eventually they'll be seen socially and legislatively as
the same thing. It's a gentler transition that allows for both
legislative and TRUE social change.

HRH

Ninja the bible also clearly states that it is a sin to act as
god. It is no wo/mans duty to judge other than god.

The Bible preaches love and acceptance, hate the sin, love the
sinner.

I respect everyone's right to religion and whilst I may not be a
Christian I do respect their right to not accept homosexuality,
just as long as they not try and force me to live by their
morals.

If someone chooses to live by the Bible then let it be, I just
hope that they will return the favour and let me be.

If I choose to marry my gf that is my choice.

But HRH, separate but equal is a little too close to past
mistakes. Civil unions are "second rate." Either the law needs
to change to reflect civil unions for _everyone_ or marriages for
_everyone_.

I'm with Holly on this.

I'm fine with them getting married. It's not my place to stop
them.

"This is not about religion. This is about equality before the
law."

If it was about equality before the law then homosexuals wouldn't
be shunning the idea of a civil union with the same right and
binding as a marriage. They want "marriage" it's a both social and
legislative move. Considering religion is very much a part of
society and is often closely connected to the idea of marriage
that it can be about religion.

HRH

Ninja, I am Christian, and I have the utmost respect for
Christians. I do not, however, have respect for those who pick
and choose lines from the bible.

Jesus preached love and tolerance. If God does in fact despise
homosexuality, then God will make the final judgement in the end.


This movement isn't about turning you gay or bringing anend to
human civilization. It's about allowing couples to provide for
one another and share the same legal rights as heterosexual
couples.

What business is it of yours what a couple does behind closed
doors?

At the same time, how would you feel if you were told that because
you are not legally tied to your spouse, you cannot see him in the
hospital, you cannot act with the power of attorney, you cannot
sign off legal documents and hold no claim to his property,
annuity or pension. You could not legally take sick leave from
work to care for your spouse, and you would receive none of his
benefits. If he died, you would have no part in the decision to
bury or cremate, and in the absence of a will, would receive no
inheritance. And if your spouse's family so willed it, they could
cut you out of his life and the life of any children he adopted
but you, as a partner but not legally married, could not adopt.

This is not about religion. This is about equality before the
law.

I am completely against homosexuality in general, especially
marriage. And if someone tells me I'mm narrow-minded, I will lose
it. It's ridiculous how society accepts homosexuals with open arms
and shuns Christians like me! People will take any incentive to go
against religion nowadays, and that's why the world is going to
Hell in a handbasket! The Bible clearly states gay relationships
are wrong. By this I stand. Don't give me all this "love is love"
junk. You know it's just a ploy to legalize total anti-God stuff.
IT IS WRONG.

Many of my friends are gay or lesbians. Its a feeling they have
for the same sex just like heterosexuals have for the opposite
sex. They love just like we do. It doesn't change how they feel.
So what if they like the same sex. Its love isn't it? Its their
choice to love someone just like it is a heterosexuals choice on
who they love. By approving this it isn't going to change the
world but it is going to give those who love just like everyone
else the ability to make it noticable instead of having to hide or
move to get accepted. They aren't going to take over their world
and Human race isn't going to end because there are still plunty
of people out there that are heterosexual. If the people would
just except that the world is changing and that people don't
always feel the same, this wouldn't be as big of a deal as
everyone is making it. Its love no matter what way you look at it.
Heterosexuals love the opposite sex and want to be with them,
homosexuals love the same sex and want to be with them. Makes
sense to approve this so that everyone can love who they want.

Love is love and if they are hurting no one why should same sex
couples not be able to marry?

Everyone claims to be open but the truth is we still live in a
world where the world equal means little to so many.

"It's wonderful, it's all about love, blah, blah, blah. Your all
be taking this back when everyone is gay and we'll all have to be
forced upon each other like pandas. If we encourage same-sex
marrige, your encouraging the end of human life. Think about it.
If every single person had the choice and decided to be gay, you
can't have BABIES that way! It'd be insane. I have to admit, there
are TRUE gay people in the world, but like 1 out of 100! Everyone
now is either gay or bi. It's rediculous and it's just a fad. I am
AGAINST same-sex marriges."

There are already societies in existence that have same sex
couple and still manage to go on. Tearing up the atmosphere and
global warming is more of an issue for the existence of human lif
than gay marriage does.

Just in general. I'd liked the clear up that the reason why
same-sex should be legal is not because two people of the same sex
are in love. If that were the argument that needed to be made then
there are tons of heterosexual unions that wouldn't have happened
legally. Let's make some actual logical arguments if we are going
to make them.

HRH

they say love is blind....so...why not...and there are methods for
pregnancy if everyone, like you say, did turn gay, which i'm sure
wouldn't happen.

It's wonderful, it's all about love, blah, blah, blah. Your all be
taking this back when everyone is gay and we'll all have to be
forced upon each other like pandas. If we encourage same-sex
marrige, your encouraging the end of human life. Think about it.
If every single person had the choice and decided to be gay, you
can't have BABIES that way! It'd be insane. I have to admit, there
are TRUE gay people in the world, but like 1 out of 100! Everyone
now is either gay or bi. It's rediculous and it's just a fad. I am
AGAINST same-sex marriges.

I say that they should approve the same gender marriage because it
really does not matter if you are the same or opposite sex it
mainly matter's by love thats all it matter's if you dont feel
comftorable with the opposite sex but you want to go with the same
sex as you go ahead thats you its YOUR CHOICE it ONLY MATTER BY
LOVE

This is just as ridiculous as outlawing interracial marriage. In
thirty years, our kids will be sitting in classrooms absolutely
appalled that same-sex couples weren't allowed to get married
"back in the day."

Love is love. Deal with it.

No, America doesn't seem to want to be known for equality. They
don't want everyone to be equal and have equal rights, they just
want everyone to be the same. They want you to be a country of
God fearing Republicans.

I think it would be a fantastic idea to give everyone a civil
union. Make civil union the legal term regardless of creed or
sexuality, and once a couple has the civil union paperwork, they
can go off and have a big, poufy white wedding, a small, private
ceremony--whatever they want. I bet the wedding business will do
fine, if not profit even more. Everyone wins.

Clearly, I should be president of the world.

"As a matter of fact, these people who say that the bible is fact
NEVER live their life the way the bible states they should. They
eat pork, they mix fibers in their clothing, they lie to people,
etc. All I'll say is "People in glass houses shouldn't throw
stones.""

Well, all the things you listened from the bible aren't things
they are supposed to be doing. All the things you named are from
the old testment in leviticus called levitical law there are 613
laws total including the one about homosexual relations being a
abomination. All these laws were no longer to be lived by with the
coming of christ because many of them had to do with being too
"unclean" to stand before God. Well, that what JEsus came to do to
wash away all our innate sins and give us forgiveness as long as
we ask. So technically the average Christian doesn't have to live
by those laws.

"You know, Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt say they will never marry
until everyone can marry, kudos to them!! I hope more people in
the public eye will do the same."

That's not a bad idea, marriage is in such a detestable state
these days...Outlawing marriage altogeyther might not be a bad
idea although extreme.

Also i didn't think the tone of this article. It wasn't
encourageing people to vote because that is the right thing to do
in general for a democratic society. It created and Us v. Them
netality... Vote to outnumber the baby boomers, Vote to outnumber
the non-liberal, Vote to outnumber the "bible belt". Whiles this
is generally what you might want to do to say so in a public forum
like this where there are people who could persuaded i thought it
lost it's purpose...

It would have been nice to see one take a stand on an issue
without making it too cliquish.

HRH

"Doesn't America want to be known for equality?"

Yeah, but they have been so far and we've been no where in the
vicinity of quality in the past and presently. Why put in the work
when they are getting the title for free?

HRH

I'm for civil unions because i believe in seperate, but equal.
Despite what the past has taught us we can be seprate, but equal
especially on topic like this when it the symbolism of a marriage
that is brough into question not the actual rights granted. If
they are able to gain equality in terms of the actual rights being
granted in a civil union being identical to that of a different
name I believe actual social change (not just legislative) will be
easier to come by later.

I think this push for just legislative change is why race
relations still remains quite an issue in today's society, because
we had legislative change that pretty much completely thwarted
social change. The wound is still festering, just with a band-aid
over it.
HRH

I am extremely proud that I am from Massachusetts, the only state
that allows MARRIAGE.

what about wyoming?